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speaker boehner, senator minority leader mitch mcconnell, paul ryan. all of them saying they will fight the president on taxes. all of them saying the president doesn't have a mandate. but president obama has something to say about that. >> i have one mandate. i have a mandate to help middle class families and families that are working hard to try to get into the middle class. that's my mandate. >> this is a clear message. it's what americans voted for a week ago. are you sure you want this fight, republicans? democrat from pennsylvania chuck fatah and ezra klein, msnbc policy analyst. he's writing about the fight over taxes today and the piece is called "the big question: how, not whether, to raise taxes." thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> congressman, do you think republicans will make a deal or is this 2010 with the tea party all over again? >> well, what the public needs to understand is the income tax system is not fair to them. there is a report done by the congress each year by the joint committee on taxation
speaker boehner, senator minority leader mitch mcconnell, paul ryan. all of them saying they will fight the president on taxes. all of them saying the president doesn't have a mandate. but president obama has something to say about that. >> i have one mandate. i have a mandate to help middle class families and families that are working hard to try to get into the middle class. that's my mandate. >> this is a clear message. it's what americans voted for a week ago. are you sure you...
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paul ryan makes a good point, though. i do agree. i don't think the president has a mandate per se but a lot of political capital. just depends how he wants to spend it and the republicans, if they don't want to risk being insignificant for the next four years they need to come to the table with some honest, tough solutions and try and compromise on some issues as does the president and we can get this country moving forward. that's what's been lacking for the last four years, president obama has a well-noted disdain for the process and he has to come to the table with some of these folks and use some of that political capital he did gain in that re-election. >> the last word. >> one quick point, hogan, the majority of americans actually voted for democratic candidates, not republican candidates in the house of republicans and it's only because of gerrymandering that republicans actually have control. if you look at states like north carolina, most of the people in north carolina actually voted for democratic house members, but repub
paul ryan makes a good point, though. i do agree. i don't think the president has a mandate per se but a lot of political capital. just depends how he wants to spend it and the republicans, if they don't want to risk being insignificant for the next four years they need to come to the table with some honest, tough solutions and try and compromise on some issues as does the president and we can get this country moving forward. that's what's been lacking for the last four years, president obama...
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paul ryan is leading the charge. here he is about his own shellacking. >> you don't think there's a mandate? >> i don't, because they would have put nancy pelosi in charge of the house of representatives. these ideas we're talking about are popular ideas. >> these ideas we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. they were so popular, michelle, he lost the presidential election, he lost his home state of wisconsin, he even lost his hometown of janesville, but he says he has a mandate. >> look, mr. ryan has visions of 2016 dancing in his head. he can't admit that what he's based his entire legislative career on, this budget plan of his s a loser. he has also made noises, as dana points out, he wants to be part of the solution going forward. he's going to be a little more conciliatory than they have been in the past if they want to get anything done. because the republicans don't want this fiscal cliff bomb to go off, because then their priorities are going to be in the firing line. >> you could have fooled me, mic
paul ryan is leading the charge. here he is about his own shellacking. >> you don't think there's a mandate? >> i don't, because they would have put nancy pelosi in charge of the house of representatives. these ideas we're talking about are popular ideas. >> these ideas we talked about, i think they're popular ideas. they were so popular, michelle, he lost the presidential election, he lost his home state of wisconsin, he even lost his hometown of janesville, but he says he...
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as for paul ryan, he just can't believe urban americans managed to leave their sad, cramped apartments and tenments and made the long trek to the voting booth. >> i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout especially in urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> apparently mr. ryan forgot his opponents were giving out free birth control. should have seen that coming. now, some in the gop are trying to escape this whirling vortex of deep denial and blame, especially those looking to run in 2016. louisiana governor bobby jindal was out at a mike within hours. >> i absolutely reject that notion, that description. i think that's absolutely wrong. i don't think that represents where we are as a party and where we're going as a party. >> well, into which dimension the party is headed still remains very much up for question. let's get right to our panel. here in new york joy reid is the managing editor of thegrio.com. msnbc contributor ari melber is a columnist for "the nation." and in washington msnbc contributor jared bernste
as for paul ryan, he just can't believe urban americans managed to leave their sad, cramped apartments and tenments and made the long trek to the voting booth. >> i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout especially in urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> apparently mr. ryan forgot his opponents were giving out free birth control. should have seen that coming. now, some in the gop are trying to escape this...
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i know paul ryan. paul ryan is not a liar. and with mitt romney, the whole question about the jeeps, there's a dispute whether chrysler, which owns jeeps jeep is going to have to go to italy. there's a story about that. on the china issue overall for romney, that was an issue that didn't work. there are issues that poll well, but when you try to rely on them in a campaign, they just don't get you any votes. i think china is one of them. host: we'll go to jim on the republican line. you're on with fred barnes of the "weekly standard." caller: hi. i was going to say i believe what the lady on the republican line said earlier. that republicans don't need to change. we need the conservative stand, and the biggest problem is that i believe the country is getting to the point that they are so dependant on the handouts of the government that that's what they are looking for. they are looking for a liberal, somebody that's willing to give them anything they want. guest: john, i have to say -- it is john? caller: jim. guest: i have to
i know paul ryan. paul ryan is not a liar. and with mitt romney, the whole question about the jeeps, there's a dispute whether chrysler, which owns jeeps jeep is going to have to go to italy. there's a story about that. on the china issue overall for romney, that was an issue that didn't work. there are issues that poll well, but when you try to rely on them in a campaign, they just don't get you any votes. i think china is one of them. host: we'll go to jim on the republican line. you're on...
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paul ryan's guy lost. and so even as they lose the presidency, thanks to a devastating gender gap in the polls, and at the same time they send even fewer republican women to congress than were there before, republicans did today pick for this small, low-profile national republican number four leadership role an actual woman. and that's the best they've ever done. that's the highest ranking gop woman there has ever been in the house. back over on the senate side, republicans are faced with a dilemma set up for them by john mccain, as i was just discussing with bill burton. john mccain is suggesting that the party's big, first high-profile political stand of the obama second term should be republicans blocking this person's promotions to potentially be secretary of state. the president may nominate u.n. ambassador susan rice to replace hillary clinton as secretary of state. and already, republicans in the senate led by john mccain are threatening to block her nomination. he called her today "not too bright"
paul ryan's guy lost. and so even as they lose the presidency, thanks to a devastating gender gap in the polls, and at the same time they send even fewer republican women to congress than were there before, republicans did today pick for this small, low-profile national republican number four leadership role an actual woman. and that's the best they've ever done. that's the highest ranking gop woman there has ever been in the house. back over on the senate side, republicans are faced with a...
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my big question is what role does paul ryan play in all of this. he is a national figure and said no new taxes and john boehner is going to have to try and lead compromises in his caucus. >> do you see the prom prcompro possible? >> here is the thing. in the olden days i used to say, you know what they are going to end up doing the wrong thing. i know longer think that. i believe they could retreat into their corners. it is into their self interest to get things done. as you looked at the landscape, do you see any likelihood that members will be able to come together and work on climate change and tax reform? >> i do. i'm opt miss triimistic that we go over the fiscal cliff that you better not let us do this that you are going to throw us into a recession next year. they are not crazy. they will act out of some sense of the national interest here. you have to be careful not to isolate the question of tax hikes on the wealthy. you need to put that question into a broader framework. how do we raise revenues. and how do we get spending down through en
my big question is what role does paul ryan play in all of this. he is a national figure and said no new taxes and john boehner is going to have to try and lead compromises in his caucus. >> do you see the prom prcompro possible? >> here is the thing. in the olden days i used to say, you know what they are going to end up doing the wrong thing. i know longer think that. i believe they could retreat into their corners. it is into their self interest to get things done. as you looked...
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and finally there's paul ryan on the urban vote. let's listen to paul ryan and his looking at this whole ethnic, or urban vote he calls it. >> we were surprised with the outcome. we knew this was going to be a close race. we thought we had a very good chance of winning it. i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout in especially urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> you know, ashley, they got to get their accusations straight. somebody on -- one of the leaders of the republican party out there in wisconsin said all the votes were fraudulent votes, they were all stolen. and now he's out there, the presidential candidate, saying they were all bought. and now this guy is -- i have to say to paul ryan, he was just surprised they showed up. he hasn't quite figured out the motive yet. >> i think the romney campaign obviously didn't take into account the huge turnout that the president got. that was one of the problems with their polling. >> is that why they're looking
and finally there's paul ryan on the urban vote. let's listen to paul ryan and his looking at this whole ethnic, or urban vote he calls it. >> we were surprised with the outcome. we knew this was going to be a close race. we thought we had a very good chance of winning it. i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout in especially urban areas which definitely gave president obama the big margin to win this race. >> you know, ashley, they got to get their...
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paul ryan -- there's more of this dog whistle crap going on. paul ryan expressing his surprise that the pro-obama turnout in an interview monday, two days ago, well after the election, they're still talking like this. let's listen to ryan here. >> i'm surprised with the outcome. we knew this was going to be a close race. we thought we had a very good chance of winning it. i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout, essentially in urban areas, which definitely gave president obama the big margin. to win this race. >> well, cynthia tucker, visiting professor of journalism at university of georgia and joan walsh, editor-at-large by salon. the l.a. times just posted a report on mitt romney's conference call today with top donors. it says romney, quote, attributed his rival's victory to, quote, the gifts the obama administration had given to blacks, hispanics and young voters during obama's first term. obama, romney argued, had been very generous, quotes around it, to blacks, hispanics and young voters. i once heard a canadian
paul ryan -- there's more of this dog whistle crap going on. paul ryan expressing his surprise that the pro-obama turnout in an interview monday, two days ago, well after the election, they're still talking like this. let's listen to ryan here. >> i'm surprised with the outcome. we knew this was going to be a close race. we thought we had a very good chance of winning it. i think the surprise was some of the turnout. some of the turnout, essentially in urban areas, which definitely gave...
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however many republicans have high hopes for paul ryan. we'll look at his future in congress and beyond on cbs "this morning." [ elizabeth ] i like to drink orange juice or have lemon in my water... eat tomato sauce on my spaghetti. the acidic levels in some foods can cause acid erosion. the enamel starts to wear down. and you can't grow your enamel back. i was quite surprised, as only few as four exposures a day what that can do to you. it's quite a lesson learned. my dentist...
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now, that's a big paul ryan line. and this is a fantasy. the fact of the matter is, we have a government in this country that does some things. and most of what mitt romney's objecting to is government. >> was there a racial component here? and i ask that question, because mitt romney is talking about giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest americans, but president obama can't have a plan for young people or african-americans or hispanics? how else do you read it? >> well, it's the same -- look, paul ryan did an interview just this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain way. and it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion that they've decided to carry on. that they didn't lose because their ideas were bad, day didn't lose because they made mistakes. in fact, in this call, mitt romney complimented his campaign. they lost because somehow the 47% was given so many gifts that it grew into 51%. >> does it make it harder for the republican party to patch up their image and their vision for the future when they ar
now, that's a big paul ryan line. and this is a fantasy. the fact of the matter is, we have a government in this country that does some things. and most of what mitt romney's objecting to is government. >> was there a racial component here? and i ask that question, because mitt romney is talking about giving more tax breaks to the wealthiest americans, but president obama can't have a plan for young people or african-americans or hispanics? how else do you read it? >> well, it's the...
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i think paul ryan is a remarkable leader. he was a terrific pick and did a great job but as the country continues to change, i think you're going to see the next generation of leaders on the republican side emerge. >> the key battle now for barack obama in his second term will be how does he get some kind of bipartisan momentum going, particularly on the economy and this is your wheelhouse right now. you've got some pretty firm ideas about how to prevent the fiscal cliff becoming a reality. tell me about that. >> well, we need to avoid the fiscal cliff. as the nonpartisan congressional budget office said, it will reduce gdp by almost 3% and keep in mind it's only 2% now so that means going negative, going back to recession. they predicted that unemployment would go back over 9% which would be terrible, obviously, and many other negative consequences. so they should do at least a temporary extension so they can buy themselves a little time for the new congress to get organized and new administration to get settled, and then ge
i think paul ryan is a remarkable leader. he was a terrific pick and did a great job but as the country continues to change, i think you're going to see the next generation of leaders on the republican side emerge. >> the key battle now for barack obama in his second term will be how does he get some kind of bipartisan momentum going, particularly on the economy and this is your wheelhouse right now. you've got some pretty firm ideas about how to prevent the fiscal cliff becoming a...
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paul ryan, he doesn't apparently want to admit rally or look at the exit polls. i understand it was an ugly day on november 6th. republicans don't like looking at the exit polls. not only did the president campaign on this more vociferously than anything else. you could claim a mandate on that basis. two-thirds of the country believes in raising rates. not only do you have him campaigning on it and winning on it, be you have at the exit polls. >> look at those numbers, 47% think there should be an increase only on income over 250 k higher earpers, 35% no increase for anyone, 13% for all. so add 47 plus 13 is 60. >> that's a 60% issue. that math is right on in the uny. >> and in florida they tried to float a 20% corporate income tax break, the republican dominated legislature put it on the ballot and the people in florida rejected that soundly. >> the second thing i'll say that jonathan is right and your point about this, i don't think it's a repudiation of what john boehner said, the president is learning thou negotiate. one of the things that the left has critic
paul ryan, he doesn't apparently want to admit rally or look at the exit polls. i understand it was an ugly day on november 6th. republicans don't like looking at the exit polls. not only did the president campaign on this more vociferously than anything else. you could claim a mandate on that basis. two-thirds of the country believes in raising rates. not only do you have him campaigning on it and winning on it, be you have at the exit polls. >> look at those numbers, 47% think there...
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. >> paul ryan did an interview just this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain way. it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion they've decided to carry on. they doesn't lose because their ideas were bad, they doesn't lose because of mistakes, they lost because somehow the 47% was given so many gifts that it dwru into -- got into 51%. >> they are going to be dogged by comments like this. it's not inclusive. how. >> we have republicans across the country saying we have to reconnect and connect with people young. dollar this gave them. >> john nichols, great to you have with us tonight. thanks so much. >> there's a lot more coming up in the next half hour of "the ed show." >> in my own personal experience, it was very important for me to elect young people and encourage people to come and when they come here to give them opportunity to serve. >> 2012 is the year of the woman in congress. tonight north dakota's first female senator heidi highcamp joins me exclues i. >> hons ka'. >> ohio republicans are already trying to defund planned parenthood. state
. >> paul ryan did an interview just this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain way. it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion they've decided to carry on. they doesn't lose because their ideas were bad, they doesn't lose because of mistakes, they lost because somehow the 47% was given so many gifts that it dwru into -- got into 51%. >> they are going to be dogged by comments like this. it's not inclusive. how. >> we have republicans across...
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my big question, what role does paul ryan play in all of this. he's pretty far out there a national figure, said no new taxes and john boehner will have to try and lead some compromises in his own caucus with a new national leader. >> do you see compromise as possible? because of the fiscal cliff. >> here is the thing. in the olden days when i covered the congress, i used to say, they will end up doing the right thick. i no longer think that. i now believe they could all retreat into their corners, only thing that gives me hope it's in their own self-interest to get this done. >> it's in everyone's self interest. david, as you survey the landscape of the incoming congress, any likelihood that members will be able to come together, work with the president on immigration reform, climate change, tax reform, entitlement reform? >> i do, anderson. i'm increasingly optimistic we won't go over the fiscal cliff. the sharp drop in the markets today send a clear signal to congress and the president that you guys better not let us do this. that you will thr
my big question, what role does paul ryan play in all of this. he's pretty far out there a national figure, said no new taxes and john boehner will have to try and lead some compromises in his own caucus with a new national leader. >> do you see compromise as possible? because of the fiscal cliff. >> here is the thing. in the olden days when i covered the congress, i used to say, they will end up doing the right thick. i no longer think that. i now believe they could all retreat...
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. >> paul ryan on why he and mitt romney lost to president obama last tuesday. big defeat for the gop. how can the party get back on track? with me is virginia governor bob mcdonnell, chairman of the governors association. governor, welcome to you. >> thanks for having me on. >> paul ryan looked shell-shocked, all the polling looked good and wow, all these people came out for president obama. was it really that big a surprise? every poll i was looking at in the last few weeks had obama 02:00:43: ahead by two or three points. >> piers, we were very optimistic heading into that -- heading into that final week or two. i thought mitt romney after that first debate had really convinced the american people that he was the right leader, they had the right ideas to build up the middle class, to get us out of debt and back to work, and i thought the prevailing wisdom was ife were closer, within a point going into election day which many of the polls had, particularly in virginia, that the momentum on our side and the enthusiasm would carry the day. wasn't so. democrats d
. >> paul ryan on why he and mitt romney lost to president obama last tuesday. big defeat for the gop. how can the party get back on track? with me is virginia governor bob mcdonnell, chairman of the governors association. governor, welcome to you. >> thanks for having me on. >> paul ryan looked shell-shocked, all the polling looked good and wow, all these people came out for president obama. was it really that big a surprise? every poll i was looking at in the last few weeks...
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i don't see politics in his future. >> what about paul ryan? he's long been considered one of the rising stars of the republican congress. will he just pick up where he left off? or do you see him try to broaden out, claim the mantle of the party standard bearer? >> he has time. listen, he has something that is very hard for a house member to get and that is nationwide recognition. he is also a bonafide brainiac when it comes to budget things. you may not agree with what he would like to do the budget but he understands the budget. there's still a place for him there. he certainly does speak for the conservative wing in the fiscal part but he's also very pragmatic. yes, i think he can -- there's been some talk maybe he should go to a think tank and hang out for a while and think those big thoughts. it's a nice spot, he clearly wanted to keep it if he wasn't going to get the vice presidency. i think -- you know, he's young. he's 41 or 42. i think he's one of the contenders when you look four years from now, if that's the route he wants to go. >>
i don't see politics in his future. >> what about paul ryan? he's long been considered one of the rising stars of the republican congress. will he just pick up where he left off? or do you see him try to broaden out, claim the mantle of the party standard bearer? >> he has time. listen, he has something that is very hard for a house member to get and that is nationwide recognition. he is also a bonafide brainiac when it comes to budget things. you may not agree with what he would...
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the paul ryan budget passed a pretty big test. we had to run around the country and defend it. the ryan budget proved itself a viable platform on which to run and be reelected. wow. just to reiterate, this is what happened on election night. how does this constitute the ryan budget passing a big test. it took a big test but it did not pass that test, two very deficit things. the lesson of this election for republicans appears to be all that stuff we ran on, it totally worked. think about what determines what the republican party does next. what determines how they fix their political problems. the question of who is going to be the new face of the republican party and how they will course correct after this disastrously bad election for them, it all depends how they assess what just went wrong and why it went so wrong. what do they think their problem is, that caused the country to reject them so emphatically in 2012? the signs how their self-assessment is going so far are not promising. wednesday, the day after the election, mr. romney had breakfast with some of his richest do
the paul ryan budget passed a pretty big test. we had to run around the country and defend it. the ryan budget proved itself a viable platform on which to run and be reelected. wow. just to reiterate, this is what happened on election night. how does this constitute the ryan budget passing a big test. it took a big test but it did not pass that test, two very deficit things. the lesson of this election for republicans appears to be all that stuff we ran on, it totally worked. think about what...
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it's consistent with paul ryan's 30% comment. it's consistent not just a single comment here or there. the entire republican romney/ryan platform, the hot red rick, the makers versus takers language that we've seen from them. and this is really a gift for republicans, this gifts line because it allows them or gives them at least a first step to try and turn the age on the campaign. >> melissa, it's not only former governor romney that seems to be in denial, some of the more renowned or influential republicans are in denial. when you look at the gop chairman rather of maine who worried about voter fraud because dozens of black people voted, let me show you what he said. >> in some parts of the state, for example, in some parts of rural maine, there were dozens, dozens of black people who came and voted election day. everybody has the right to vote. but nobody in town knows anybody that's black. how did it happen? i don't know. we're going to find out. >> i'm sorry. >> he then went ahead to explain why he said this. watch his expla
it's consistent with paul ryan's 30% comment. it's consistent not just a single comment here or there. the entire republican romney/ryan platform, the hot red rick, the makers versus takers language that we've seen from them. and this is really a gift for republicans, this gifts line because it allows them or gives them at least a first step to try and turn the age on the campaign. >> melissa, it's not only former governor romney that seems to be in denial, some of the more renowned or...
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paul ryan was simultaneously a loser and a winner on tuesday night. a winner because he won his house seat, a loser for the obvious reason but also for a couple of good additional ones. it's kind of embarrassing when you're put on a ticket and you cannot carry your own state and also his percentage in his own district went down significantly. at the same time there is no question that paul ryan who was a national figure who was far more recognized by those of us in the intellectual world than by others. paul a year ago could have walked through any airport outside of wisconsin or washington in america and might well have gone unnoticed other than maybe by one or two people and now obviously he is an enormously significant figure in clearly won in the mix for 2016. he is in the mix for that kind of conservative community that is dominating the primary and caucus process before and going along with these kinds of compromises that include tax increases as part of the package comes a little trickier for him and it also becomes trickier for boehner because
paul ryan was simultaneously a loser and a winner on tuesday night. a winner because he won his house seat, a loser for the obvious reason but also for a couple of good additional ones. it's kind of embarrassing when you're put on a ticket and you cannot carry your own state and also his percentage in his own district went down significantly. at the same time there is no question that paul ryan who was a national figure who was far more recognized by those of us in the intellectual world than...